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by Paul Taylor on December 31, 2010 at 12:00 am
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  1. Artemisia
    December 31, 2010, 12:04 am | # | Reply

    i’m imagining Kevin’s face as she says this, and what the conversation must sound like coming from his end.

    • geekoncall
      December 31, 2010, 1:25 am | # | Reply

      Uh? What? Did you say something? Sorry there was someone.. er, I mean something in my eye.

  2. Jim
    December 31, 2010, 12:11 am | # | Reply

    Is Monica using a Bluetooth headset ? ‘Cause , to me , it doesn’t look as if she’s holding a cell phone .

    Oh , and RAWR !

    • jordinyc
      December 31, 2010, 4:43 am | # | Reply

      Think about the fact that mens watches and Womens watches don’t actually fit differently, but they’re always 2 separate and visually distinctive categories. It’s a chick thing, I’ll never understand.

      • Fairportfan
        December 31, 2010, 6:37 am | #

        Almost any article of adornment or apparel…

      • Jim
        January 1, 2011, 5:08 pm | #

        I can live with that .

  3. TheDoctor
    December 31, 2010, 12:16 am | # | Reply

    HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE!

    • Jim
      January 1, 2011, 5:11 pm | # | Reply

      What TheDoctor said .

      Here’s to another year of a wonderful comic !

  4. FortMax
    December 31, 2010, 12:19 am | # | Reply

    You wouldn’t appreciate the punchline over this 12kbps cellphone codec.

    • pgn674
      December 31, 2010, 1:47 am | # | Reply

      Hah, I was thinking of this story line when I read the XKCD comic.

    • Crissy
      December 31, 2010, 1:51 am | # | Reply

      Love the xkcd reference! xkcd comes after Wapsi in my bookmarks, so I didn’t get it at first. ^_^; Hooray for audiophile jokes! =D

    • Meander
      December 31, 2010, 8:05 am | # | Reply

      *click*

      O HAR.

    • Wyvern
      December 31, 2010, 7:07 pm | # | Reply

      I read xkcd first, myself; I doubt there’s any useful pattern in the sequence. For the confused, look here: http://www.xkcd.com/841/

  5. Alechsa
    December 31, 2010, 12:23 am | # | Reply

    Deitzel’s reaction FTW

    • WistfulD
      December 31, 2010, 9:56 am | # | Reply

      I don’t know. It would have been more “Deitzel” for him to be inching away while blushing.

  6. Jon B
    December 31, 2010, 12:45 am | # | Reply

    I love Deitzel’s look!

  7. geekoncall
    December 31, 2010, 1:23 am | # | Reply

    Deitzel’s not disgusted, He’s jealous!

    • SoWhyMe
      December 31, 2010, 4:09 am | # | Reply

      Makes me wonder if he’s been nutered. If not, it’s too bad he never get’s any considering Monica is a little nymphette. Course we don’t know what all goes on with the pizza girl.

      • Julie
        December 31, 2010, 8:28 am | #

        Ewwwwww….

      • Jay-Em
        December 31, 2010, 9:43 am | #

        DOUBLE eeeeeeeewwww & a “Yuck!” to boot…

      • WistfulD
        December 31, 2010, 9:58 am | #

        It’s a comic, and he’s apparently a sentient sophant.

      • SoWhyMe
        December 31, 2010, 4:58 pm | #

        I certainly agree with the eww/yuck-ola factor (how many Ws are in eww anyway, and why isn’t it eu, or eue?). Still, you would be amazed how popular it is. With ponies too. You think guys are bad? You have no idea what the world of horny women is like. And you don’t want to know. You’ll truly wish brain bleach was real.

      • W.
        December 31, 2010, 3:27 pm | #

        So you’re you think Dietzel is like Brian?

    • Barkingdog
      December 31, 2010, 8:43 am | # | Reply

      He’s not jealous, she just cut one.

  8. Joe Minotaur
    December 31, 2010, 1:25 am | # | Reply

    A little comment from the “Peanut Gallery”.

    • W.
      December 31, 2010, 8:43 am | # | Reply

      Yeah, I was just thinking that Dietzel belonged up in the balcony with Statler and Waldorf.

    • kingklash
      December 31, 2010, 9:42 am | # | Reply

      Like any good child, Dietzel has the normal reaction when his parent talks about having sex.

  9. SoWhyMe
    December 31, 2010, 4:03 am | # | Reply

    It’s a valid question. After all she would soon have a whole case of rigid, phalic shaped objects in the house. She is already personifying them.

    • WistfulD
      December 31, 2010, 10:01 am | # | Reply

      Phalic objects made of thin, fragile glass. That’s not a “method of death” you want on your death certificate.

      • SoWhyMe
        December 31, 2010, 4:31 pm | #

        Aren’t electronic tubes made with thicker glass than, say, a light bulb, as Frank mentioned, or fluorescent tubes?

      • Fairportfan
        December 31, 2010, 11:08 pm | #

        Some may even be metal,

      • illiad
        January 1, 2011, 6:50 am | #

        ah you naughty girl, SoWhyMe… has too much mulled wine loosened you up?? 🙂 🙂 🙂

        I think it is the high vacuum that gives a bit more strength, but it been a long time since I saw one, not being hifi crazy.. 😛

        FYI, *usable* objects are made of
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_glass
        – this is far stronger than any other, similar to that used in skyscrapers.. you can drop a car on it, without effect!

      • SoWhyMe
        January 1, 2011, 1:23 pm | #

        SoWhyMe=male

      • illiad
        January 2, 2011, 4:41 am | #

        “You have no idea what the world of horny women is like. And you don’t want to know.” but that SO sounds like my GF or sister talking…. 🙂

      • SoWhyMe
        January 2, 2011, 8:40 am | #

        @Illiad: I see. Well, that’s the world in which I grew up so I guess that’s why I might come across as a female sometimes.

      • illiad
        January 3, 2011, 3:13 pm | #

        SoWhyMe:
        🙂 [thumbs up] but hey, loosen up a bit, I think that mulled wine helps!! 🙂 🙂

      • Ratcatcher
        January 6, 2011, 9:08 am | #

        Depends on who made em’, these almost certainly. Still they are glass…

      • illiad
        January 1, 2011, 6:17 am | #

        ah, we have a pimply youth here, who thinks ‘phallic objects’ are actually *used*, in his feverish imagination…

  10. Frank
    December 31, 2010, 6:26 am | # | Reply

    I’ve had ambulance calls where women have used light bulbs as…well…penis substitutes. Sometimes it does not end well.

    • W.
      December 31, 2010, 9:31 am | # | Reply

      Thank you. I had to use this. If you’re out you can borrow some of mine.

    • SoWhyMe
      December 31, 2010, 4:43 pm | # | Reply

      Sounds like Darwin Award candidates.

    • illiad
      January 1, 2011, 7:05 am | # | Reply

      heh… vacuum tubes are a lot smaller though….

      • SoWhyMe
        January 1, 2011, 10:09 pm | #

        Looking at pictures and dimensions on-line, some of them seem to be quite large. A few even appear to have some sort of small “nipple” on top as well.

      • Fairportfan
        January 2, 2011, 12:44 am | #

        Some – particularly power triodes for radio transmitter finals – could be downright huge.

        As to the “nipple” on top – some tubes (similarly to original Edison incandescent bulbs) have little glass peaks on top where they were sealed after being evacuated. (And after that, a small piece of metal inside, called a “getter”, would be heated white hot by an electric current until it vapourised, to pick up any remaining air inside; you can often see shiny metal patches on the inside of the glass of tubes where the vapourised metal from the getter deposited back out.)

        OTOH, if it’s a little metallic thing like a small thimble (like the 3-500Z on the page i linked to above), that is the connection for the plate lead -where the high voltage is applied and (usually) the output signal appears.

      • illiad
        January 2, 2011, 6:45 am | #

        um, I think we are talking about ‘for audio use’ here… though some *real* hifi freak may well have tried to use an ‘industrial’ one…. 😮

      • illiad
        January 2, 2011, 6:49 am | #

        oh, yes.. I have repaired some old TVs ages ago, that use a giant tube, with the 20kV driven off the top cap… :~{)

      • Fairportfan
        January 2, 2011, 5:04 pm | #

        Yeah – at least one reason for the top connection is that if you apply the B+ (plate voltage – tubes used to be powered by an “A” battery that heated the filament/cathode, a “B” battery for plate voltage – i once had one the size of a 9-volt battery that was rated at 67 volts- and “C” batteries for the grid bias) at the base, where it has to run close to other leads withing the tube, you probably couldn’t run a really high voltage because it would arc over.

      • Ratcatcher
        January 6, 2011, 9:11 am | #

        True. High voltage tubes can have a connector on the top, but if I remember those are mostly tubes that were used in TV sets for the high voltage on the picture tube.

  11. Fairportfan
    December 31, 2010, 6:38 am | # | Reply

    Poor Deitzel. No fingers to put in his ears…

  12. Meander
    December 31, 2010, 8:04 am | # | Reply

    Wait, wait … vacuum tubes do what?

    • Fairportfan
      December 31, 2010, 8:56 am | # | Reply

      To some extent, what Monica is saying is true – but once the tubes stabilise after burning in for a while, they don’t actually change much until they fail completely. Other components (particularly capacitors, and more specifically yet, electrolytic capacitors) change significantly and continuously over their lifespans and might very well affect the sound more.

    • Sitnalta
      December 31, 2010, 4:05 pm | # | Reply

      They function like transistors. They were the only way to switch and amplify electronic signals until they were replaced by transistors in the 50s.

      • Fairportfan
        December 31, 2010, 11:07 pm | #

        I am quite aware of that – my Navy electronics training (19678 – 69) was almost entirely vacuum tubes … though the class the week after mine was the first to get a mostly-solid-state cuuriculum, and the yalternated between the two curricula for some time after ward. The military had a lot of tube-based stuff in 1968.

      • ProleBoi
        December 31, 2010, 11:41 pm | #

        In 1986, my high school class toured the ANG base here in Portland, which still had an F4 flight ‘computer’ that they’d show off — “look at all the vacuum tubes!” Bet that baby’s long since been recycled.

      • Joe Minotaur
        January 1, 2011, 2:16 pm | #

        I spent my 4 year Air Force enlistment(79-83) on a Flight Simulator(SR-71A). It had started out with an analog(Vacuum Tube based) computer with gears and servos. In the early 70’s it was updated with a dual digital computer setup. In 85-89, I worked on the simulator for the RF-4C. It had a T2 Analog Computer two rows of cabinets housing tubes, motors and servos. You had to let it warm up for an hour before you did anything to it.

      • Fairportfan
        January 2, 2011, 12:26 am | #

        Argh. “1968 – 69”

  13. Julie
    December 31, 2010, 8:29 am | # | Reply

    Wow…Monica has a very tiny butt…

    • Fairportfan
      December 31, 2010, 8:56 am | # | Reply

      Does it look as if there’s enough to hang on to?

      • morven
        December 31, 2010, 9:57 am | #

        You can always hang on elsewhere where there’s more to fill a hand with…

      • SoWhyMe
        December 31, 2010, 5:04 pm | #

        I assume you’re talking about her hair.

      • morven
        December 31, 2010, 8:22 pm | #

        Yeah, hair…right, that’s it! Hair!

    • Otter
      January 1, 2011, 12:20 am | # | Reply

      Things don’t grow well in the shade.

      • MerchManDan
        January 3, 2011, 12:39 am | #

        That doesn’t make a lot of sense, Otter.

      • illiad
        January 3, 2011, 2:53 pm | #

        Otter is using a gardening saying, to joke about ‘large objects’ robbing those under it of the ability to grow due to lack of sun…. 🙂

    • Jabberwonky
      January 1, 2011, 8:51 pm | # | Reply

      It’s not the size, it’s the shape…

  14. Computer Matthew
    December 31, 2010, 9:37 am | # | Reply

    Where does one buy vacuum tubes in this day and age?

    • Jay-Em
      December 31, 2010, 9:48 am | # | Reply

      Google is Your friend:
      http://www.vacuumtubesinc.com/Home.aspx#

      One of many. Be prepared to pay a hefty price for premium examples.

    • Joe Minotaur
      December 31, 2010, 10:43 am | # | Reply

      Go through any website that has new/used guitar amps. Any amp listed as “Hybrid”, “Valve” or “Tube” Amp has at least one in there.

      • Fairportfan
        December 31, 2010, 11:15 pm | #

        Back in the latter 1980s/early 1990s, at least, there were vacuum tube CD players (well, in the analog stages; they had to use solid-state for the digital stages).

      • SoWhyMe
        January 2, 2011, 8:54 am | #

        Wow, even in the 90s? Still, don’t they use tubes in microwave ovens and high powered commercial transmitters even today? And if that’s so, that means some company must still make some tubes. Does anyone still make common tubes or are they all from old stockpiles now?

      • Fairportfan
        January 2, 2011, 4:48 pm | #

        The tubes in the CD players were because “everybody knows” that “tubes sound better than transistors”.

        And, yep. Microwaves use a specialised type of tube called a “cavity magnetron”, (first invented in the 1920s, further developed during WW2) to produce centimeter-range radio waves for radar. All it cam do is produce microwaves.

        A more powerful and useful type of tube for radar use is the klystron, which produces more accurate frequencies than the maggie. (You wanna see a big tube – check out the picture f a klystron in that article.)

      • Fairportfan
        January 2, 2011, 4:52 pm | #

        Hmmm. “Your comment is awaiting moderation” – i included two Wikipedia links in a comment i just posted, so that may be what tripped the moderation.

        What i said was that microwave ovens and some radars use “cavity magnetrons”, but that a lot of radars use “klystrons” or “traveling wave tubes”.

    • ProleBoi
      December 31, 2010, 11:36 pm | # | Reply

      Many cities still have junk/surplus shops. Here in Portland, places like R3D4 or Wacky Willy’s were your friend; I haven’t needed to buy tubes for many years so I don’t know what’s out there now, but dusty shops still lurk in some places 🙂

  15. Opus the Poet
    December 31, 2010, 1:36 pm | # | Reply

    +1 on the dog’s expression in panel 2. Y’all pray for me, I’m going to be riding a bicycle after dark tonight. Duty calls, I have a paying gig.

    • The Old Wolf
      December 31, 2010, 3:24 pm | # | Reply

      Good luck, Opus. Yeah, I’ll add another +1 on Dietzel’s reaction.

    • txmystic
      December 31, 2010, 7:39 pm | # | Reply

      Hopefully wearing light clothing, right? 😉

  16. ChrisHerself
    December 31, 2010, 1:36 pm | # | Reply

    <__>
    ……….

    *its, not it’s

    • ChrisHerself
      December 31, 2010, 1:37 pm | # | Reply

      Heh, that thing turned my emoticon into something totally different.

  17. Neveko
    December 31, 2010, 4:26 pm | # | Reply

    Dem. Incorrect. Apostrophes. 8U

  18. txmystic
    December 31, 2010, 7:23 pm | # | Reply

    I once walked into my girlfriend’s apartment to see her in a similar pose as Monica’s, talking to another man on the phone…that’s when I knew it was over…

  19. ProleBoi
    December 31, 2010, 11:32 pm | # | Reply

    I don’t (usually) nit-pick, but Paul, you used “it’s” (the contraction for it is) instead of “its”, the possessive, twice in the first panel.

    • ProleBoi
      December 31, 2010, 11:33 pm | # | Reply

      LOVE the expression on Dietzel’s face, btw.

  20. Kellisanth
    January 1, 2011, 9:34 pm | # | Reply

    Conversation aside, and liking Dietzel’s expression…

    I’ve always wondered how uncomfortable it would be trying to sleep on her stomach, built like she is?

    • bmonk
      January 1, 2011, 10:13 pm | # | Reply

      You don’t.

    • SoWhyMe
      January 1, 2011, 10:13 pm | # | Reply

      The pillows seem to be nice and fluffy. Laying in between would probably keep his ears nice and warm.

    • Danzier
      January 5, 2011, 9:57 am | # | Reply

      Lower back problems, neck problems, and sore boobs in the morning.

  21. Centaur1971
    January 3, 2011, 9:28 am | # | Reply

    Sex and vacuum tubes DON’T mix!!! and I don’t see a phone in her hand; who’s she talking to? the only one there is dietzel… :-S

    • bmonk
      January 3, 2011, 12:09 pm | # | Reply

      Probably a Blackberry in her left hand…

      • sq_rigger
        January 4, 2011, 3:50 pm | #

        There’s something small in her right hand, which is held in the same position as it would be if she were using a cell phone. I think Paul tried to suggest a cell phone in that hand by drawing the diagonal straight line just below her little finger.

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