And given that we know Pickle is 9 years younger than her, Pickle is 16. (I base this on, when we first met Atsali, she was almost 15 and Cas was 5. I wonder, though: in the 6 years between Leucoisa’s murder and Atsali turning 10 (when Cas started marking age as a person, her birth as it were), was Pickle just a potted plant?
I don’t think we’ve ever been shown the exact point at which she first took on a humanoid form, or told whether she had any intermediate forms before she learned to appear like a baby.
What we can conclude, though, is that Paul had planned out her character and maturation pretty carefully before he ever introduced her into Wapsi Square.
So, we know for sure that she spent some of those years as a plotted plant.
If you have heard any good writers talking about it, the WHOLE story is plotted out in full… some of the best just have characters ‘busting out of their brain’ as one said !! 🙂
Y’know, I remember stuff going back to about when I was a year old. Five or six seems a little late for memories to start. A siren thing? Trauma? Atsali’s well-known obliviousness?
Actually, it’s pretty normal to not remember anything earlier than being about four or five.
Before then, the brain is distracted a lot of the time, what with all that learning going on, so any memories it does form during those early years are usually associated with incidents of extremely strong emotion.
The brain remains pretty awful at remembing things properly when distracted, just research the lack of cohesion in witness testimonies of people in crowds, for example.
Also, some of what we think of as memories from those early years aren’t real, but what the brain has fabricated, based on what others have said about events where we were present.
For example, I have a vivid memory of being ‘trapped’ in an inflatable red tube by the family dog as a baby, but no one ever told me the tube was red before I mentioned it, and the dog was rehomed not long after I arrived, due to his overexcitedness.
Yet, I also have a vague memory from a couple of years later of visiting the home from where we eventually got some kittens, but I never went there. It was just my father an older sister, while I had to stay home with my mother and newborn younger sister.
The first is a true memory, and shaped my fear of dogs for several years (which eventually dissipated when we got another dog).
The second is a fabricated memory, and probably a mixutre of remembrances of my father and/or sister talking about going to see the kittens and me seeing the newly-arrived kittens in a then-unfamiliar part of our home.
Aside from one weird memory, of realizing that things continued to exist when I couldn’t see them (which got me so proud and excited that it remained imprinted despite my notorious absent-mindedness) the earliest memories I have are from when I was around ten, maybe as early as eight. This was already the case back in High School.
Well, I’m a little weirded out by both responses. I remember vividly going down to our family’s new house for the first time (when I was on), walking around in my walker (one-to-two), the Kennedy assassination (two-and-a-half), going to kindergarten for the first time (five, of course), and a number of things in between. Thought most people’s memories ran that way.
of course it depends… most say that memory of past events is not that good until old age, when it seem s to dig out old stuff, but you cannot remember what you did a week, ago… :/
And all those memories are of events with which you have strong emotional connections.
Here’s a counter-example: One of my best friends at infants school (for 4/5 to 6/7 year olds) had a speech impediment. I say this not to discriminate him, but to highlight why he’d stand out among my other friends at the time. I can tell you exactly where he lived and when he moved, describe what he looked like, yet I cannot remember a single moment in his presence.
If there was a method of making a ‘full 3d hologram’ back then, I am sure you would love it, just like me :):) I have a very good graphical memory, so that suffices… <3
THAT went better than I was expecting!
It sure did. I’m still waiting for the other shoe to drop, though.
That would be something like taking Astali to meet her.
And now we have a real tight reign of time. We know that Atsali is 25 1/2. Our loony bird is all grown up.
And given that we know Pickle is 9 years younger than her, Pickle is 16. (I base this on, when we first met Atsali, she was almost 15 and Cas was 5. I wonder, though: in the 6 years between Leucoisa’s murder and Atsali turning 10 (when Cas started marking age as a person, her birth as it were), was Pickle just a potted plant?
I don’t think we’ve ever been shown the exact point at which she first took on a humanoid form, or told whether she had any intermediate forms before she learned to appear like a baby.
What we can conclude, though, is that Paul had planned out her character and maturation pretty carefully before he ever introduced her into Wapsi Square.
So, we know for sure that she spent some of those years as a plotted plant.
If you have heard any good writers talking about it, the WHOLE story is plotted out in full… some of the best just have characters ‘busting out of their brain’ as one said !! 🙂
Dave, a recent Twitter post from Paul showed a toddler Atsali playing with her sister, the potted plant. Check my Castela thread in the Forum…
TazManiac, I remember that pic! Paul posted it on Facebook a year or so ago. I actually did a fan edit, putting a fantasy background behind them. 🙂
Dave, a recent Twitter post from Paul showed a toddler Atsali playing with her sister, the potted plant. Check my Castela thread in the Forum…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyADGr_XEAMYDKX?format=jpg&name=medium
Let get back to the start…
http://wapsisquare.com/comic/why-are-you-looking/
A few pages later (Nov1) the ‘real’ Leucoisa is shown (the ‘recording’ of her and other events..)
Y’know, I remember stuff going back to about when I was a year old. Five or six seems a little late for memories to start. A siren thing? Trauma? Atsali’s well-known obliviousness?
Actually, it’s pretty normal to not remember anything earlier than being about four or five.
Before then, the brain is distracted a lot of the time, what with all that learning going on, so any memories it does form during those early years are usually associated with incidents of extremely strong emotion.
The brain remains pretty awful at remembing things properly when distracted, just research the lack of cohesion in witness testimonies of people in crowds, for example.
Also, some of what we think of as memories from those early years aren’t real, but what the brain has fabricated, based on what others have said about events where we were present.
For example, I have a vivid memory of being ‘trapped’ in an inflatable red tube by the family dog as a baby, but no one ever told me the tube was red before I mentioned it, and the dog was rehomed not long after I arrived, due to his overexcitedness.
Yet, I also have a vague memory from a couple of years later of visiting the home from where we eventually got some kittens, but I never went there. It was just my father an older sister, while I had to stay home with my mother and newborn younger sister.
The first is a true memory, and shaped my fear of dogs for several years (which eventually dissipated when we got another dog).
The second is a fabricated memory, and probably a mixutre of remembrances of my father and/or sister talking about going to see the kittens and me seeing the newly-arrived kittens in a then-unfamiliar part of our home.
Aside from one weird memory, of realizing that things continued to exist when I couldn’t see them (which got me so proud and excited that it remained imprinted despite my notorious absent-mindedness) the earliest memories I have are from when I was around ten, maybe as early as eight. This was already the case back in High School.
Well, I’m a little weirded out by both responses. I remember vividly going down to our family’s new house for the first time (when I was on), walking around in my walker (one-to-two), the Kennedy assassination (two-and-a-half), going to kindergarten for the first time (five, of course), and a number of things in between. Thought most people’s memories ran that way.
of course it depends… most say that memory of past events is not that good until old age, when it seem s to dig out old stuff, but you cannot remember what you did a week, ago… :/
And all those memories are of events with which you have strong emotional connections.
Here’s a counter-example: One of my best friends at infants school (for 4/5 to 6/7 year olds) had a speech impediment. I say this not to discriminate him, but to highlight why he’d stand out among my other friends at the time. I can tell you exactly where he lived and when he moved, describe what he looked like, yet I cannot remember a single moment in his presence.
Some of this moral shit gets pretty damn deep, I must say (but to be honest I’d really lose my shit if i met either of my dead mothers right now)
If there was a method of making a ‘full 3d hologram’ back then, I am sure you would love it, just like me :):) I have a very good graphical memory, so that suffices… <3
“…she was a pro hitman.” Not a HITWOMAN? Or perhaps assassin would be more appropriate, as Pickle puts it.
Human, Hitman, ‘same, same’…