Well it took awhile, but at least she’s dealing with it. Finally.
Agreed and kudos to Paul for how he presented it.
Ooooh, deep seated, repressed feelings of betrayal…
M has been holding onto some anger. Maybe that the reason for her poor attitude in recent times.
Mixed in with a shot of PTSD.
I just looked up symptoms of PTSD and one was, “Feeling irritable or having outbursts of anger.”
Sounds like her.
And now Shelly isn’t talking to her much after a major event. It’s basically a PTSD trigger.
I think Monica’s flying off the handle because of more than just Shelly. It’s either/combination/all of
1. Shelly’s imprisonment in an alternate dimension for 80,000 years plotted and planned by her later self and Nudge, which includes Shelly’s near-death experience in her vision quest.
2) This experience has effectively taken Shelly from her when they have been been used as pawns by cosmic forces.
3) If Shelly has pulled back, does this augur more manipulations down the line–from the same friends that stuck a magical screwdriver in her head. (tip of the hat to SowhyMe)
yeah I think all of the above.
Stir in a liberal dose of Monica being packed off to a rubber room for a while after being tutored by Jin’s mom to prep her to be the Calendar Machine’s bitch.
Considering how children treat those around them who are different, Monica’s PTSD *could* extend all the way back to her coke-bottle glasses and premature development, also things outside her consent or control.
Looks that way…
Did not even consider that yesterday.
I am surprised she can trust anyone really when you really consider it…
Yeah, betrayal from her parents. Betrayal from her friends.
Poor thing. I mean neither her friends or parents ever wanted to hurt her, but she’s got a lot of anger and baggage from it anyway.
Maybe now would be a good time for Phix to tell her about time loop 44 when she told Monica all about how it would go. Then relate how, though Monica went along with it, she panicked and instinctively poited out at the last moment causing the CM to fly about the room bashing Shelly against the wall and turning her into just so much gooey red paste. Finally how Jin, in a fit of rage and insanity, did things to Monica that were beyond human words to express. Not to mention the wholesale destruction of the Twin Cities as Brandy and Bud tried to stop her.
That….could be rather ehrrm “therapeutic” in a “slapping some sense into someone”kind of way.. 😛
Wow, when were we told about that? Don’t remember that part at all.
And I’m still not sure how it would matter…
You have to read between the lines. Then take that reading and read between those lines.
It would show Monica a possible reason why they had to trick her. Still, it would make one rather paranoid, wondering if your friends are, even at that moment, plotting your fate again in some way. I don’t know if that trust could ever be restored. If you could trust anyone ever again for that matter. If your best friend will plot against you, who is left to trust?
I think that’s clear from Brandi’s book and how they operated in an isolated fashion from each other. I also believe, in a way, that Shelly shows more strength of character in believing (when no reason to) that if she did as instructed, Monica would not be harmed in the end…as opposed to Monica, who almost blew the whole CM destruction by whipping out the pistol when things started to get tense…
maybe Monica feels guilt and/or admiration for that?
I know that story is purely hypothetical but..
Could Jin and the others really hurt Monica.
They have free will now which means they can choose what to do but are they still able to ‘hurt’ a glyph reader.
I am not entirely sure on the whole ‘glyph reader’ thing but when it’s mentioned its like a big deal.
Maybe killing/hurting someone who can read the words on their body would cause them to be destroyed?
That’s the thing about insanity. The potential consequences don’t matter to the insane. Besides, if Jin thought she would be destroyed as a result, she might do it happily.
One difference on this go-around: they are beyond the point of reset, so what happens, remains. Prior to this there was always a chance to say (for those in the know), “That hurt, but next time we can do better.” Now they have to deal with the consequences.
I’m pretty sure they have the physical ability. A glyph reader might well issue commands, face-to-face, but the fully armed Chimera might never get close enough to hear them. Monica’s commands wouldn’t count for much if the Chimera stood back and torched the Twin Cities from Eau Clare. (Okay, we don’t know if they have that much range – but the Chimera wiped out civilization once, so taking out a city should be easy.)
@bmonk: The time of reset, 21 December 2012, still has yet to get here. Unless the Calendar Machine has a backup in hyperspace, it doesn’t seem to be in a condition to trigger the reset, however. 😉
This one still gives me a chill when I read it…
Wish I’d remembered she talked about “time before last” a few comics later. I’d have made my example occur during cycle 55 instead to match.
In other news, that series of comics has always made me wonder “what schedule does the library follow?” Yes, it’s outside of time, but it’s clear Phix sleeps and it appears she sleeps when Monica does … i.e. Eastern time in the USA. Why is there even a day and night there? If there isn’t, does Phix simply turn off the lights and go to sleep?
SoWhyMe: maybe it’s part of the enchantment of the Bibliotiki, that the Librarian is always awake for those who need her special skills.
I hope Monica is on Central time, like the other residents of Minneapolis.
Oh yeah, you’re right, Central time.
I am ashamed to say that that viewpoint never occurred to me.
first panel “M out of the loop” — could that be “I’m out of the loop”?
I think she called herself M.
Though m not sure.
Needless to say,
I see what you did there…
Ahaa! There we go. Again M feels her trust betrayed (like when put in the loony-bin by her parents, the ones every child blindly trusts)
It has been simmering all along. Strangely, she also does not seem to trust her own -rational- de-construction of why things had to be what they were at the CM…
“Rational” is irrelevant to emotions.
Got that right.
Oh yeah! Because if they could do that once, then…
It looks like Phix would make a good therapist (that is if the customer isn’t fearful that she’ll kill them).
“Accept you have problems and damn well work on them instead of hiding from them else I will EAT you!” might work well.
For some customers, the “probably able to kill and munch on the bloody remains” -bit could be quite valuable for a good treatment of their ailments (as in “spoiled, ÄDHD”brats, and their “hover-parents” blaming everybody but themselves–>sent to therapist to fix problems their parents are partly responsible for) 😆
I tend to agree…
…minus the ADHD portion of your comment.
Disclaimer: Sorry for the following diatribe. I get defensive in response to people’s perceptions about ADD/ADHD. I did a study in high school of how many teachers believed that ADD/ADHD was real, and most of them thought it was a problem that could have been fixed with better parenting and stricter discipline. I grew up in a home that believed in spankings and avoiding spoiling a child at all costs, but I still have this “fake” problem.
ADD/ADHD (when properly diagnosed) is a legitimate issue (chemical imbalance in the brain) that is difficult to control without medicine or a strict regimen of diet and scheduling.
Granted, it is overdiagnosed to the point where many people claiming the disorder don’t actually have it. That’s annoying as hell for those of us who went through a fair amount of testing to be diagnosed and now are treated like there’s nothing really wrong with us…we’re just “acting up” due to “immaturity” or “being too spoiled to realize that in the real world you have to behave by certain standards.” [/diatribe]
I claim the right to joke about ADHD…… Since I am one of the sufferers. At least, on a later age it was diagnosed.
My mom,bless her practical heart, just thought i was a bit of a “busy” child.
Since I am grown-up, and know what drives some of my quirks in the background, i can deal with it pretty easily.
However, coming from a family of psychologists and clinical psychiatrists, I watched from a first-row seat how ADHD became the rigeur for parents to, as you already stated, use as an excuse for their failing as parents. Most cases I have been confronted with were ” spoiled-brat” pseudo ADHD-kids, where trouble at home was thrown in the therapists lap. And more often then not, there was intervention in the family-relations neccessary, and the kids were just reacting ADHD-ish as a coping-mechanism.
It is hardly as widespread as people want to believe.
As someone who suffers from the unholy combination of OCD and ADHD (I fixate on doing something until I get distracted by fixating on something els ooh a squirrel 😉 ) and now PTSD thanks to the wreck, I can say that these are all real afflictions, and even though they may have non-physical causes (my PTSD didn’t manifest until after the investigation into the wreck was stopped because the PD didn’t have the staff to investigate further) they still end up with physical symptoms beyond the behavior.
I never get distracte…. Hey..my toe is visible from above my iPa…… Oh, there’s a strange shadownext to…ehh, where was I??
Now combine ADHD with Asperger.. Now there is an interesting twist.. Concentration lapses, interwoven with hyper-concentration. The best way to make everyone around You, doubt your sanity.. 😀 Completely baffled faces around me…well…eventually I got used to the open mouths, and the slowly backing-off…
Just want to hug her now 🙁
Let’s see, none of the golem girls will ever age, or change except through magic, which only Jin knows how to use well. And Shelly lived for 80k+ years alone and is feeling out of sorts herself. So obviously none of them have the depth of problems M has.
I dunno, even before this strip, which might invoke some sympathy if I were so inclined, I was still thinking M’s leaning towards being self-absorbed this week. Do I think she got a crappy deal with the spike in her head? Quite; not too much is crappier than friends attacking you no matter how noble the reason. But the others have issues as well, and she seems to either turn it back to her or disregard said issues of others entirely, which makes it hard for me personally to muster more than surface sympathy for her pain, real or imagined.
I’m not slighting her so much as, as a reader, finding a connection with the other characters that it appears M sometimes forgets in the wake of her own problems. *shrugs* I know many may/will disagree, it’s just my perception of it, is all. And to argue my own point, I do think she’s more than entitled to the emotions she’s experiencing in today’s strip.
I have to thank you, Locuranis, for explaining it more adroitly than some others have over the past few days (“IMMATURE MONICA BAD RAAAAR” and so forth). To be frank, I couldn’t tell why so many people had such…hostile things to say.
Well, for some it is a bit hard to accept a ficticious character they started to like&love, being quite human, deep-seated character flaws and all.
One tends to idolize characters in fiction. The moment that character acts, frankly, like a self-absorbed ass, it becomes too real. Too much “real-world” with all uncertainties and insecurities that come with real life.
A lot of people enjoy certain types of literature and sequential art for the relative “safeness”of their respective ficticious worlds. When those “safe”worlds get a bit of a shake-up ,some peeps reel and start fuming. They -the readers- cannot handle the sudden “shake-up”of the ficticious semi-realities they had embraced as a comprehensible, relatively un-changing safe-haven.
Bottom-line: Some peeps are not perturbed by change, and take things in stride, and some peeps desperately (out of fear?) cling-on to the status-quo.
imho to be honest.. 😀
Ditto to MerchManDan! Everyone prior to this who has been reacting negatively to Monica’s behavior just came across as Monica-bashers. Your explanation makes a negative reaction to Monica seem much more understandable (even if I don’t agree with it 🙂 ).
Isn’t empathy relating to other peoples pain via way of your own?
Monica would need to know how it feels to Shelly in order to be able to fully understand any of Shellys future reations?
Not sure on those two statements however 🙂
Yes, but emphaty is hard to muster, if one’s navel has temporarily become the center of the universe 😆
Or, as one character (Shelly??) once remarked: How hard is it to get one’s head out of one’s butt.”With the “sage”answer of Tina (Nudge-part, i presume) “You mean your butt, or mine…” 😛
I’m glad you caught that…but I still have to wonder…
Would “emphaty” be the ability to relate to someone’s obesity (fatness) or to someone’s 90’s-style awesomeness (phatness)? 😛
I’d go for the 90’s explanation, might that slip-up end in a thesaurus. In case of phatness,it misses a “t”—-}”emphatty”……. :LOL:
As the resident grammar nazi, I must inform you that emphaty is the ability to relate to someone’s hat.
Fatuncle: Does that include The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat?
bmonk: thanks for pointing me towards that book. I’d not heard of it, and will have to see if I can find a copy.
Monica was also sensitized to this by her betrayal by her parents. She had sort of kind of gotten over that, grown up with a real job, grew a new family – her circle of friends. Who then betrayed her.
I think Shelly’s been punished quite enough for her part in the betrayal. I recall her saying there would be a special place in hell for what she was about to do to Monica. Who knew that special place would be the time tree forest hell. Which makes me wonder, was that foreshadowing at the time?
Looking back, there are hints all the way in the beginning, to events happening now. I would say that its only a few, scattered throughout the years, but I feel that would be underestimating Paul, which is a mistake I will not be making again…
Indeed, though I’m not sure Mon is seeking punishment for anyone. It seems to me that she’s been forcing down this fear of her own friends, and beating herself up for feeling that fear. Now, it finally overwhelms her and she lashes out at Phix – since she can’t (or won’t) spill it to Shelley and the Golems.
This is true, but it is kind of sudden. I can’t recall any indications of this attitude in previous episodes. Everything seemed to be fine after the CM caper.
That’s the thing about triggers IRL–you can get response out of all proportion to what the trigger was. “But I only . . .” fails to enter into it, when you’re talking about triggers and triggery behaviors.
And it all comes crashing down….
I love how Phix is a 10 foot mythical beast… and her boob are STILL not as big as Monica’s!
To me it seems Phix’s breasts are just as big as M’s, just not relative to Phix.
I have far too many comments about boobs in these forums…. shoot.
Phix is about 20 feet behind M.
“Do you really want me to answer that question, pumpkin?”
Phix tells Monica that this is about Shelly, not her. And somehow she makes it more about herself.
Don’t worry, I think I’ve got one more on this theme…
IIIIIIIIIIIII Like it!
Nice one 😀
Saw a video about Minneapolis’ Calhoun lake, and, indeed, the grounds were filled with tree- rats. I can imagine them being a real nuisance.
You do know I was just being daft with the theme comment right?
I like these posters 🙂
Now we are getting down to the core issues. Both Monica and Shelly have been either assaulted or aloud to suffer an assault by people they consider friends. They understand the motives for it, and that the big picture justifies a lot, but that doesn’t mean that what happened to them is a good thing.
Strike friends, insert comrades and repeat after me.
“Welcome to the Military.”
I am sympathetic to Monica’s character to a degree but…
1. She started acting weird and unstable long before her friends “left her out” at the end of the calendar cycle. Prhaps she might want to go back and examine her behavior as to why they felt it best to not tell her everything?
2. Sun/Sol to Monica: The Earth in fact does not revolve around you dear. Get over it.
Everything on the planet revolves around ourselves to a certain extent.
Everything we think/feel/see is from our OWN point of view 🙂
Ozy@ I’m curious as to some examples of how you thought Monica was acting weird? She seemed quite “normal” to me, even considering the GGG and Phix, et al… not being what MOST people could think of as “normal”. however, if you are talking about the part just before they all went to the temple and she kept on trying to get them to listen to her and they were just ignoring her. nah, she was finally twigging to the fact that there was another secret plan that SHE wasn’t involved with, and that is what started this whole set of panels.
as for myself, i think she has some timing issues rather than the fact she’s even having these “my friends betrayed me” feelings. if this were ME… i would have flipped my lid WAY WAY back, the next DAY even, or probably about the time that Phix popped in and got the tour from M’s boss… i wouldn’t have waited and acted as if nothing was wrong for as long as she did, then just when SHELLY needs help, then SHE pops her cork… like i said, the feelings themselves are ok, but the TIMING is suspicious to me. we’ll just have to wait and see won’t we? 🙂
Paula@ of course it’s my own point of view, MINE IS the only one that matters! i AM the center of the Universe! :-)…
um… er… isn’t that what you are trying to say? but it’s nice that somebody else agrees with me in that matter. (Heh, heh, heh…)
Rereading some old comics, and I can’t help but wonder what happened to some of the reoccurring minor characters , they just seemed to fall out after the plot intensified. I wonder if we’ll ever see any of them again. It’d be helpful to have a character page so we can know things like what was happening with them last time and whatnot
I say, and then see the cast page.
yeah, what a bitch. your friends trick you and your closest friend stabs you in the head without really knowing that you won’t just flat-out die, and now apparently she’s gained 80,000 years on you. god forbid you feel -alone-.
Monica, think how horrifying it was for your friends; THEY had to be the ones to kill you… 😯
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