In the Watchmen comic (and movie) Ozymandias does a pretty good job of setting himself up as a villan, ironically because he is trying to save the world from itself. He ends up destroying New York, and even several more major cities in the movie version. He is a perfect example of the dark messiah role.
We have a name for people like them. Their commonly known as ‘anti-villains’, the villains who have heroic qualities or charaistics. In fact, they really are the protagonists, the good guys. But most of the time, the story or show is shown from the bad guy’s POV, so he views the good guy as the actual ‘bad guy’.
Good examples: L from Death Note, Roxas from Kingdom Hearts, Magneto from X-Men, and Venom from Spider-Man.
I dunno if Venom counts, he actually sets himself up as the bad guy by saying something on the lines of “From this day onward we are poison for Peter Paker and Spider-Man. We are VENOM.” He’s just kinda ut for revenge, not trying to save the world by in what most would cnsider in a twisted sense.
No, he STARTED that way. Also because the guy (Eddie Brock) personally hated both Peter Parker and Spiderman. Learning that they were the same guy made him take it kinda personally.
Then he loses the symbiot thing and had to deal with all those without superpowers, which he did. By the time he got his symbiot back he was able to overpower its evilness and more or less become good.
From a story perspective, it helps that he has Carnage to provide the evil simbiote quota. Though if Toxin exists in any given story, I guess that gives a higher chance of Venom switching back to evil.
I always wanted to run a DnD campaign where when the party finally beat the big bad villain he revealed that he was afraid of something worse, and knew he couldn’t defeat it. So he set things up to create a group of heroes that could handle what he couldn’t. Then he would offer to help the party, or take whatever punishment they wanted to deal out to him (or both).
I might be wrong, as it’s all very cryptic but thats the vibe I got from the ending to the main campaign in that. The invaders have been doing utterly hideous things to races all over the galaxy, but it appears it’s in order to create the perfect psionic being genetically to oppose something they are fleeing from. And we just ruined their best attempt so far…
Who sets themselves up as bad guys?
Even most bad guys want to seem like good guys, or to be able to see themselves as good…
Warning: Spoiler for Watchmen
In the Watchmen comic (and movie) Ozymandias does a pretty good job of setting himself up as a villan, ironically because he is trying to save the world from itself. He ends up destroying New York, and even several more major cities in the movie version. He is a perfect example of the dark messiah role.
We have a name for people like them. Their commonly known as ‘anti-villains’, the villains who have heroic qualities or charaistics. In fact, they really are the protagonists, the good guys. But most of the time, the story or show is shown from the bad guy’s POV, so he views the good guy as the actual ‘bad guy’.
Good examples: L from Death Note, Roxas from Kingdom Hearts, Magneto from X-Men, and Venom from Spider-Man.
I dunno if Venom counts, he actually sets himself up as the bad guy by saying something on the lines of “From this day onward we are poison for Peter Paker and Spider-Man. We are VENOM.” He’s just kinda ut for revenge, not trying to save the world by in what most would cnsider in a twisted sense.
No, he STARTED that way. Also because the guy (Eddie Brock) personally hated both Peter Parker and Spiderman. Learning that they were the same guy made him take it kinda personally.
Then he loses the symbiot thing and had to deal with all those without superpowers, which he did. By the time he got his symbiot back he was able to overpower its evilness and more or less become good.
From a story perspective, it helps that he has Carnage to provide the evil simbiote quota. Though if Toxin exists in any given story, I guess that gives a higher chance of Venom switching back to evil.
I always wanted to run a DnD campaign where when the party finally beat the big bad villain he revealed that he was afraid of something worse, and knew he couldn’t defeat it. So he set things up to create a group of heroes that could handle what he couldn’t. Then he would offer to help the party, or take whatever punishment they wanted to deal out to him (or both).
Spoiler warning for the video game X-Com 2 :
I might be wrong, as it’s all very cryptic but thats the vibe I got from the ending to the main campaign in that. The invaders have been doing utterly hideous things to races all over the galaxy, but it appears it’s in order to create the perfect psionic being genetically to oppose something they are fleeing from. And we just ruined their best attempt so far…
Everyone is the hero of their own story, bmonk. Even the worst scum of the world believe everything they do is completely justified.
“No-one is ever the villain of his own story.”
I believe the people that shot at Monica qualify.
As bad guys I mean.
… bad shots, maybe.
No bad guys, as in running the show.
There ain’t no good guy, there ain’t no bad guy
There’s only you and me and we just disagree
So let’s leave it alone, ’cause we can’t see eye to eye