Groundhog day, 250K?
Grr… RSS feed is not working for me for some reason. Stupid internets…
Supposedly, there is some hidden Buddhist messages in Groundhog Day. The number of times he goes through the same day (IIRC, 47?) is the amount that the Buddha went through before his final incarnation.
…now, wouldn’t it be an odd coincidence if that was the same amount of times that the Calendar Machine worked…
Harold Ramis (co-writer/director) said”
“I think the 10-year estimate is too short. It takes at least 10 years to get good at anything, and alloting for the down time and misguided years he spent, it had to be more like 30 or 40 years.”
Huh, i hadn’t realized until now that Shelly’s experience will give her newfound insight into helping to fix Jin’s problem, is that what part of finding the relic to fix Jin was for?
I don’t think Shelly is referring to how for fix Jin. Shelly has contact with 56 different version of herself. I’m sure she had conversations with some of her counterparts. She got to see how different her live could be based on the decisions her counterparts made.
And right now I think the burning question on Shelly’s mind is: Shelly + Heather, yes or no.
I believe there’s too much “Shelley + Heather ‘shipping'” in that thought.
I think Shelley is wondering if she did something wrong to have gone through that, or if her future decisions may lead her into another situation. Or simply, if she will be able to make a concrete decision that leads to a consequence now that she’s had to see 56 different versions of how other versions of her made decisions and died.
Given her rapport with Shelly #1, I didn’t get the impression she really reflected and talked with the other Shelly’s about their lives, choices, etc. so much as got them to do what was needed.
And, from what I can tell, orchestrated a few of the events in the 56 realities via Nudge and Phix, similar, if a little hands off, to what Jin was doing.
It sounds like she’s coming to grips with how all that’s affected her, and I don’t think she’s drawn the parallel that makes with her in Jin, but I find myself wondering if that parallel is important.
Wheels within wheels, in a box within a box, in the cupboard in the back… in the corner in the dark, pretty blue eyes…
…in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Sphinx’.”
(Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bubbly potted little daisy had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the Universe than we do now.)
The falling daisy’s last thoughts were “Oh no, not again!” as it approached the ground at dizzying speed. The Whale, on the other hand, thought “I hope it’s friendly…”
I swear it was a geranium. A daisy wouldn’t have such deep thought.
I find this all highly improbable.
But not, therefore, impossible.
Which therefore means that, if a Probability Drive ever gets invented and used, it will become highly probable?
not as simple as that, as the guide explains…
I prefer the BBC series though..
Anything not impossible is therefore inevitable. But the Universe is very big, and the Event may be unobservable.
“If you’ve done six impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe?”
How’s that go again?
Anything, no matter how improbable, if proven possible, and given enough time, is inevitable…
… this the main problem when using the improbability drive…
the new number is 43.
no no no!! you have to find the question that produces it!!
(Hint: it’s in the BBC series… )
I wonder if this will lead to Shelly spilling the Sphinx secret to Heather?
Well, I certainly hope it leads to something. Things seem to just be dragging out now.
I doubt, short of Shelly transforming into a sphinx, Heather would believe the 80K year part and all the rest. So it’s not likely Shelly is going to talk about all that. She would more likely think the bowling ball incident did more lasting harm than the doctors concluded.
Well, turning into a sphinx might be a tad startling, but also a tad less dramatic than a twenty-foot plunge into a Minnesota lake…
Indeed. Which makes me wonder, can Shelly poit now? If Monica can, and Phix can, it would seem like Shelly should be able to do so. After all besides being a sphinx, she is/was also a doorway just like Monica. What other qualifications does Monica have to be able to poit? Comparing the two, Shelly should be overqualified now, if anything.
I think it has to do with being able to speak/read/use the glyph language.
And I think we came to the conclusion that Phix uses L-space portals to get places…not poiting…
Seems to me Paul posted a missive not to long ago in which he declared Phix could poit (Nudge could not).
i thought shelly would have trust issues with others (them thinking she is someone new/a monster) but trust issues with herself.
never saw that comming.
guess the 80k years didn’t end in zen-like tranquillity.
another way to look at it – it builds you up to know you have done everything you can instead of rushing blindly in.
Like when Troy is sitting the commander exam in ST-TNG. She goes through every senario she can think of. Until she twigs that one of the major parts of being a commander is having to order people to die in order that the ship and its crew can be saved.
I guess shelly did something similar…
Odd that part of that knowledge is that there is a fine line resting atop that order, and to fall on either side is madness–the one of internal collapse, the other of callous uncaring grandure, and both command suicide. The test is to walk the tightrope and know it’s made of detcord.
i honestly thought that was just normal string attached to TNT
seriously..if i ever have the need use explosives it will end up being like a road runner cartoon with me playing the Coyote.
Ah, detcord.. I remember when I was in the Army for 12B, COmbat Engineer training) they said that a line of detcord from NYC to LA would take less than an hour to detonate fully.
I think the time was much less than that actually, < 10 minutes, but am a little fuzzy on the details, as it was awhile ago.
And the cord to the explosives is usually either a fuse of some kind, ala detcord, or wires leading to an electrical trigger for the blasting cap.
Detonates at about four miles/sec, according to Wikipedia.
Since it appears to be about 2460 miles between NYC and LA, that’s about 615 seconds, which is, indeed, just slightly over ten minutes.
Erm, yeah. That.
I have once again been caught posting at oh-too-sleepy in the morning…
You should review the list of Nicoll Events. And it’s full of useful tidbits:
“Moustaches are not nearly as flammable as fiction would have us believe. Eventually, they go out.”
“The inside of a fireball is a pretty pretty place but that was a sort of fuel-air thingie, not a real explosive.”
The remarkable thing is that James Nicoll is still alive, and in more or less one piece.
Complete with a sign that reads, “mommy.”
An article i read years ago about Hollywood powdermen – the special effects specialists who make those visually impressive but (mostly) safe explosions* – quoted a remark a seasoned pro made to an apprentice about detcord:
Make it’s where you want it before you light it off, ‘cos you’ll play hell stomping it out.
*An example of how impressive and how safe Hollywood explosions can be is in the film Deja Vu – the bombing of a New Orleans ferry.
The chief technician and his crew were actually aboard the boat with fire extinguishers, just in case it got a little “realer” than they meant it to.
And the boat was back in service three days later.
Paula, that’s the first time I’ve encountered anyone who uses the expression “twig” meaning “to comprehend.” Are you aware that it’s from the Gaelic “tuigeann” = “understand”?
Made my day, an dtuigeann tu?
heh wouldn’t surprise me
learned couple of weeks ago of some latin words i use in basic conversation:P
am – ante meridiem (before noon)
e.g – exempli gratia (for example)
i.e – id est (that is)
pm – post meridiem (after noon)
pp – per pro (on behalf of)
ps – post scriptum (written after)
v/vs -versus (against)
via (by way of)
vice versa (position being reversed)
ad lib – ad libitum (according to pleasure/freely)
&/etc/et cetera = and the rest.
ad infinitum = to infinity, without end
ad nauseum = to [the point of] nausea
c./ca./ circa = about
et.al./et alii (or alia) = and others
Ibid/ibidem = in the same place/work
in re = in the matter of
M.O. (law enforcement) = Modus operandi, method of operation
per cent (percent) = per centum, for each one hundred
pro tem. = pro tempore, for the time being
P.S. = post scriptum, after the writing/signature
Q.E.D. = quod erat demonstrandum, what was to be demonstrated
viz. = videlicet, “namely”
OTOH, music tends to Italian for its notes and abbreviations, like de Capo, crescendo, fortissimo, piano, etc.
didn’t know those
music is italian?
ooh did not know that
would explain alot though
i cannot read music cuz i don’t speak italian
i heard a joke a while back where the person asks
“what is the french word for croissant?”
Mme: “How you say in English, ‘parachute?'”
Mme: “Oh really?”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058092/ …Father Goose, one of my all-time favorite movies.
well if it wasn’t for the roman invasion, we would be speaking some form of Gaelic!! I think some in Cornwall still speak ‘ancient English’..
Forget where i read this, and i’m pretty sure i’ve got it Not Quite Right, but:
English in good part descends from the efforts of Norse raiders to pick up Celtic tavern wenches. The language that arose from that is just as legitimate as any of the other results.
“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.” – James Nicoll
@Fairportfan: Pretty darn close. I wish I had your memory. However, I do have the book:
“And you know what English is? The result of the efforts of Norman men-at-arms to make dates with Saxon barmaids in the Ninth Century Pre-Atomic, and no more legitimate than any of the other results.”
Victor Grego, speaking to Ernst Mallin, in The Other Human Race, the second of the Fuzzy books by H. Beam Piper.
Okay, now that’s fascinating – i read The Other Human Race when it first came out, and have re-read it more than once since, but i had no memory at all that that was where that quote came from.
In fact, i’m pretty sure i only thought of it because i encountered it on-line in the last month or so … perhaps at the Comfy Couch?
Fairportfan: And since I used that quote sometime in the last couple of months, that might be where you read it! Weird. What goes around comes around …
I like your genius icon!
We were talking about how Heather reminded some of us of Daria.
I can hear Daria asking Jane that same question in just about those words…
btw: love the new avatar.
Kasey is my heroeen…
Shellinx can transition from soft and beautiful human (previous strip) to something close to snake-eyed Lanthian or Golem Gurl in a blink. This could be interesting!
And Heather ftw What is even better question!
she seems to consider her words very carefully.
its a very good trait
I noticed she said the viewer and not the character as Shelly did.
Of course the answer to Shelly’s question is predicated on the character of the character as to which way it breaks.
Ergo the character of the Shelly asking the Heather about the character of characters in general and getting a response on the character of the Characters recieving the character lesson.
All of which usually lead to good character development, no matter the iteration.
Effective introspection can be very difficult because of the involvement: Swamp v Alligators, Forest v Trees, etc. The external viewer has that distance and perspective to help sort things out more dispassionately.
I’m still not sure where she’s going with this conversation. Does she plan to let Heather in on this insanity, or does she just want to connect with a human friend. I also just realized how desperate I am for something to speculate on.
i spect smart human friend
a smart human friend who liked shelly for shelly and not cuz shelly was friends with someone else they liked.
maybe explains why they talking like this.
all her other friends seem to be friends of friends. she met monica through a friend. jacqui she prolly met through owen. who better to know if she changed from who she was than someone who ‘knows’ her.
going through Wapsi withdrawals are we? good to know I’m not the only one….
How could you even suspect you were the only one?
the absence of whimsical speculation has left me delusional…
an idea flicked on after reading this, and then I got distracted by the comments…
this seems like a step in the right direction for Shelly. While not completely at peace with her TTF adventure, she seems to be asking the right questions to get there…who knows maybe Shelly is bringing another into the fold…
The fold’s getting a bit crowded as it is. I don’t see any good reason to bring Heather into it.
OTOH, perhaps Shelly knows more than she has let on thus far. At least where the lives of other Heathers are concerned. It could be some of the other Heathers had a key part in things to come and now Shelly is conflicted because she knows too much about other possibilities. She is not sure which way to handle some upcoming situation with this Heather.
Or maybe she’s simply referring to her and the other Shellys and this conversation has nothing to do with Heather per se. She’s just seeking advice from someone she trusts who is outside the loop.
only reason i can see for bringing heather into it is the same reason to bring amanda into it.
having an old friend to talk to keeps you balanced.
I suppose so, but while there maybe a lot of people in the fold, doesn’t mean they’re all involved at once… when was the last time we saw Kevin, or even Kathrine? Both characters that know about the Supernatural, yet are hardly ever seen. I just want to see Heather’s reaction to Ms. Wahnee turning into a sphinx…
D’oh that was for SoWhyMe…
Oh yes. We all would love to see that!
What’s a list of all of those movies?
I know Groundhog’s day is one of them, but its the only one I can think of I know there are a butt-load of them out there!!
I can think of two others off the top of my head: there’s Run Lola Run and the remake of 12:01 (in the original it didn’t matter what you did, time would repeat because it was due to another galaxy colliding with ours).
Here’s a link to the original 12:01.
An excellent short, though not as happy an ending as Shelly’s story (so far).
“Source Code” is a recent one.
And “Butterfly Effect.”
Run Lola Run is a good one too. It’s less angsty than Groundhog Day and deals with a much more specific set of cascade failure.
thanks to you i remembered a song regards to lola rennt ^^
LOVE the soundtrack from that one…
Less… angst than a Bill Murray romp? This is the German film where a young woman screes in frustration at her miserable life and resets time just to save her worthless boyfriend from getting himself shot by a drug lord.
I mean, Lola Rennt has more angst just by being German.
so being a german movie means more angst because being german?
Not honestly trying to stereotype Germans, no. There’s a lot of diversity going on between Prussia and the Rhine. I was being silly to make a point about comparing an American feel-good comedy to an exemplar of German postmodern cinema. One is clearly more angsty.
But let me echo you in thanks to Danzier (and yourself) for reminding the world about that awesome track.
I wish I was a hunter in search of different food
I wish I was the animal which fits into that mood
The rest is even more appropriate!
ganz richtig gesetzt…
damn, do we export only movies with shitloads of angst?
me sad -.-
dont mind the comment above need edit function -.-
There’s a scene in The President’s Analyst in which James Coburn as the titular shrink explains to Kropotkin (Severn Darden, a cruelly under-appreciated actor), the KGB agent who has kidnapped him from kidnappers, etc. that his depression is because he has father issues.
Kropotkin exclaims “And all this time i thought it was my melancholy Russian soul!”
Well, in my defense, I saw Groundhog day a long time ago, and what impressed me most about it was that the guy was such a putz that he felt he had to kill himself for what felt like half an hour. When people talk about being emo, I get that image of Mr. Murray dropping a “live” toaster in the bathtub with a little pouty face, and I can’t take the emo business seriously.
I don’t recall Run Lola Run having a suicidally depressed main character, despite it being rather more dark overall.
I believe with that image you have just defined the difference between emo and all other forms of angst. My hat is off to you.
And I do wear hats.
Feel free to trawl through my list:
Searching the page for “loop” will pick up a lot of time loop TV episodes.
My first thoughts were Lola Rennt and 12:01 (the re-make).
wikepedia has a list
wikepedia has everything. barring a tasty chocolate centre!!
but i digress
my fav in that list is a kinda freaky one.
starts off normal and ends up being scary as hell…
I forgot about Deja vu but the reason I didn’t think about it would be a spoiler.
Also used in many serial TV shows. Tru Calling was one, and Monty Python had that sequence on Deja Vu (It’s the Mind). And didn’t Outer Limits or Twilight Zone have an episode of High Noon where the characters kept building up to the finale?
Wasn’t he gimmick on Tru Calling that she recycled into other people’s lives just before their deaths?
Don’t click this link if you value your free time, but there is a good list here. Of course, it contains more than just films, and will eventually lead you back here.
There’s a film that i can’t recall the title of – i think it’s from France – that isn’t exactly a multi-loop story, but it’s about a young woman and it shows her life twice – one version in which she catches a train, and one in which she misses it.
Also, Source Code (which i haven’t seen) sounds as if it’s got a whiff of that. (And besides, it’s directed by David Bowie’s son.)
Also there was at least one TV series in which the protagonist repeated the same day over and over.
Actually, it was a British film called Sliding Doors starring Gwyneth Paltrow.
That’s likely it. I think it’s in my Netflix queue.
That’s likely it.
I think it’s in my Netflix queue
Sliding doors is excellent. I’d give you my main reason for liking it, but I don’t want to spew any spoilers…
Paul, I love how you’ve just used two characters to create a mirror maze of broken and intact fourth walls. I salute you.
Shelly choose to call Heather exactly because she knows that Heather is wise and insightful enough to be of true help, illustrated nicely by Heather’s answer…
The other Wapsi-square quaracters are mostly too involved into their own (supernatural) problems and troubles. Heather is very “balanced” for lack of a better word. As someone already mentioned ,Heather is prolly going to be Shelly’s “Amanda”.
I, for one, am impressed with Heather’s quiet, thoughtful, serious answer. She cannot know that the question is anything but hypothetical. but she brings her full attention to it. It’s important to Shelly, and I suspect Heather can sense that.
Shelly’s a sphinx, now. How cumzit she’s got no pointy teeth?
And what’s with the come-and-go haziness? Just changing light in the scene, or is she glowing a bit?
All very interesting.
shelly is a human-sphinx hybrid which affects her human appearance, i think.
Shelly’s a sphinx, now. How cumzit she’s got no pointy teeth?
I thought she was always a sphinx, she just needed a little help bringing it out, so it wouldn’t really change her appearance..
I can’t recall – did Very Tall Sexy Librarian Phix have pointy teeth?
(Weird – one of the alternatives for “Phix” that Opera’s spellchecker suggested was “Nomi”…)
It looks like Heather,at least,wwill be a good ‘Sounding board’ for Miss Wahnee. I just love how all the characters here have unique names.
I like Heather’s answer as it applies to Shelly’s situation…she was both a participant as the 56 Shellys that went to the time forest and a viewer as Shelly #57/Shellinx.
Little update + teaser.
Started on the fur. Horns and head are ready. Face=surprise
Basic layout and proportions are finished. For those interested:
Looking good so far!
@ Jay-Em – Your statue is really staring to take shape – the horns are great – looks like a lot of work involved in them . Keep us updated – Please !!
I test-painted Nudge face in b&w, to see if it had any resemblance to Paul’s comic-Nudge.. To my astonishment, it has, especially when compared to “schoolgirl-Nudge.
Her markings are pure genius. I don’t know how Paul came up with them, but they are really striking when seen in 3d..
Everybody : thanx for the encouragement!
darn it that IS a tease
showing us the back of the head
the horns look awesome
*renames jay-em jay-awesome-em*
Wow, that’s awesome, well done!
you think Bill Murray reads this comic?
What with being a ‘Saint’ and all?
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